tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22927650.post8744399626406783329..comments2023-09-22T02:24:42.144-07:00Comments on a light inside: Currently Reading: 2312Jenna St.Hilairehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16528611770211261141noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22927650.post-32746493812506240572013-09-12T13:14:37.661-07:002013-09-12T13:14:37.661-07:00It's way way harder to condemn something wrong...<i>It's way way harder to condemn something wrong that our friends, family, or allies do</i><br /><br />It is when you're a good-natured, inoffensive person. :)Jenna St. Hilairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474588706124865006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22927650.post-56673489876796182292013-09-12T13:08:44.561-07:002013-09-12T13:08:44.561-07:00No, I think you're on the money. A lot of it i...No, I think you're on the money. A lot of it is contingent on the context and on relationships between people. Because it's much easier to condemn strangers or enemies. It's way way harder to condemn something wrong that our friends, family, or allies do. Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16501327753737422337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22927650.post-4983824248611040862013-09-12T13:04:49.156-07:002013-09-12T13:04:49.156-07:00Oh, gosh, I just used the word actually twice in o...Oh, gosh, I just used the word <i>actually</i> twice in one sentence. I think I need to go condemn my own English language usage for a while.Jenna St. Hilairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474588706124865006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22927650.post-57046599842152576112013-09-12T13:01:09.942-07:002013-09-12T13:01:09.942-07:00Actually, I had to think about your words, because...Actually, I had to think about your words, because my primary recent experiences of moral condemnation or shaming have been kind of horrible, actually. The kind of thing where you want to respond, "You know, when YOU learn [respect, tact, to get a decent understanding of something before you condemn it, etc.], THEN you can explain to me how you're better/smarter/more right with God than I am." And I think that sort of thing IS always rude. I think that's what most people think of when they think of moral condemnation, too.<br /><br />But the thing is, you're right that it's sometimes needed. People just don't often do it well. A friend gave me a beautiful takedown in middle school once for my joining into group picking on the resident outcast. Her timing and her connection to my own struggling awareness of guilt were perfect, and I never did that again. So yes, there's a time and a place for the use of shame. I agree. Would that people always knew when to use it and when not to. But it's a fallen world.<br /><br />Sorry for the ramble; you just got me thinking through an old quandary. :)Jenna St. Hilairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474588706124865006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22927650.post-2232468521806526632013-09-12T12:33:30.415-07:002013-09-12T12:33:30.415-07:00Oh, I certainly didn't think you agreed with i...Oh, I certainly didn't think you agreed with it per se. :)<br /><br />And I consider a large portion of such things to be rude. But sometimes people need to be condemned or shamed to shock them into realizing they're doing something wrong. Not to leave them in such condemnation of course but to somehow get them out of their condition. Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16501327753737422337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22927650.post-9254725324432832792013-09-12T12:24:45.549-07:002013-09-12T12:24:45.549-07:00Well, I posted that quote not because I agreed wit...Well, I posted that quote not because I agreed with it, but because I was looking for an interesting sample quote online--having forgotten to find one before taking the book back to the library--and that was the best I could come up with easily.<br /><br />I'm not a big fan of direct, personal moral condemnation, as the setting of the above conversation implies; I think it usually <i>is</i> rude, and likely to do more harm than good. But no, when all situations and circumstances and breaches of morality are taken into question, said condemnation is certainly not "always" rude.Jenna St. Hilairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474588706124865006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22927650.post-91217378179935640212013-09-12T12:18:40.260-07:002013-09-12T12:18:40.260-07:00Ha, no, I don't see the author going for that....Ha, no, I don't see the author going for that. The edited-for-TV version would certainly be a lot less shocking. :)Jenna St. Hilairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474588706124865006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22927650.post-69569961896301442302013-09-12T11:23:14.205-07:002013-09-12T11:23:14.205-07:00Hmm, is moral condemnation of others always rather...Hmm, is moral condemnation of others always rather rude? It's the "always" part of the statement I'm questioning. Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16501327753737422337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22927650.post-71776649507914695912013-09-12T07:31:06.332-07:002013-09-12T07:31:06.332-07:00Too bad, perhaps, that one can't read an edite...Too bad, perhaps, that one can't read an edited version-- sort of like the ones provided by certain movie rental places I've heard of that would edit out all the "bedroom scenes" from their "family friendly copies" of the Titanic or whatever. Not that the author would be likely to agree!Anna Mussmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11631139113615066986noreply@blogger.com